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		<title>By: marymor_denver</title>
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		<dc:creator>marymor_denver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I would have donated my subscription cost rather than having it refunded (or not charged as the case may be), if there was such an option.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Ditto.

I have never respected the &lt;i&gt;Post&lt;/i&gt;, even less so after reading their excerpts printed in &quot;The Principled Politician&quot; (an excellent book about a difficult time in Colorado&#039;s history). Ironically, at that time (WWII) they were the &quot;Republican&quot; paper. Clearly, politics has little to do with the integrity (or lack thereof) at the &lt;i&gt;Post&lt;/i&gt;.

With no competition to keep them in check, I can&#039;t imagine they will improve.


Denver:
Ask not for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee.

Mary Morris
North Park Hill

p.s. - in response to &lt;b&gt;Robert D. Tonsing&lt;/b&gt;, who does have something of a point, I am printing my full name here. In my case, however, there are about a dozen people in Denver named &quot;Mary Morris&quot;, hence the unique moniker. I shortened it to &quot;marymor&quot; because it was easier to type, but I have no shame in putting my name to anything I&#039;ve said anywhere on this site. -m</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I would have donated my subscription cost rather than having it refunded (or not charged as the case may be), if there was such an option.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Ditto.</p>
<p>I have never respected the <i>Post</i>, even less so after reading their excerpts printed in &#8220;The Principled Politician&#8221; (an excellent book about a difficult time in Colorado&#8217;s history). Ironically, at that time (WWII) they were the &#8220;Republican&#8221; paper. Clearly, politics has little to do with the integrity (or lack thereof) at the <i>Post</i>.</p>
<p>With no competition to keep them in check, I can&#8217;t imagine they will improve.</p>
<p>Denver:<br />
Ask not for whom the bell tolls &#8211; it tolls for thee.</p>
<p>Mary Morris<br />
North Park Hill</p>
<p>p.s. &#8211; in response to <b>Robert D. Tonsing</b>, who does have something of a point, I am printing my full name here. In my case, however, there are about a dozen people in Denver named &#8220;Mary Morris&#8221;, hence the unique moniker. I shortened it to &#8220;marymor&#8221; because it was easier to type, but I have no shame in putting my name to anything I&#8217;ve said anywhere on this site. -m</p>
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		<title>By: wantsnews</title>
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		<dc:creator>wantsnews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was really hoping that Denver could get a news outlet instead of more propaganda. If ever someone figures this out they will make a lot of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really hoping that Denver could get a news outlet instead of more propaganda. If ever someone figures this out they will make a lot of money.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have donated my subscription cost rather than having it refunded (or not charged as the case may be), if there was such an option.

I realize you don&#039;t want to appear to be begging, but there should be an option with a paypal donation link somewhere for those of us willing to support the endeavor, even at this stage.

Provide a method for people to donate to the site while you work out kinks. If you didn&#039;t meet the 50,000 goal, scale back and see what can be done. Again, put a voluntary donation button somewhere and you will at least get a few dollars toward the light bill or the cost of the domain name.

Newspapers are going through a hard time, but it is an evolution, too. InDenverTimes might be at the forefront, but a couple months is no way near enough time for this to grow and succeed.

Hope you hang around a while and see if the idea can be nurtured into something successful. Rooting for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have donated my subscription cost rather than having it refunded (or not charged as the case may be), if there was such an option.</p>
<p>I realize you don&#8217;t want to appear to be begging, but there should be an option with a paypal donation link somewhere for those of us willing to support the endeavor, even at this stage.</p>
<p>Provide a method for people to donate to the site while you work out kinks. If you didn&#8217;t meet the 50,000 goal, scale back and see what can be done. Again, put a voluntary donation button somewhere and you will at least get a few dollars toward the light bill or the cost of the domain name.</p>
<p>Newspapers are going through a hard time, but it is an evolution, too. InDenverTimes might be at the forefront, but a couple months is no way near enough time for this to grow and succeed.</p>
<p>Hope you hang around a while and see if the idea can be nurtured into something successful. Rooting for you.</p>
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		<title>By: ProudMale</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProudMale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recognize that your timing was somewhat determined by the closure date of the Rocky Mountain News.  But consider the following.

Many familis seeing bad times coming wanted to give their family one last &quot;Good Christmas&quot; before the bad times hit.  Not talking about going into serious debt, but about something that soaks up a lot of your cash through the end of February or so.

April 15 is the legally set Income Tax Day.  The readership of the Rocky tended to be more Conservative than the Post.  There is some evidedence that this translates to more self employed workers with a corresponding predisposition to filing taxes on Tax Day.  This both soaks up cash and perhaps more important as was the case with me, soaks up your attention.

If you had tried the experiment at a different time, say now until Memorial Day, I am sure you would get a different result with more people willing to subscribe.

The above points about needing to get the word about your operation out are very appropriate.  Have you considered trying to work out an operating agreement with Fox 31?  They would welcome the help in partially defraying newsroom costs, while you would get your efforts publicized on both Channels 2 and 31.

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recognize that your timing was somewhat determined by the closure date of the Rocky Mountain News.  But consider the following.</p>
<p>Many familis seeing bad times coming wanted to give their family one last &#8220;Good Christmas&#8221; before the bad times hit.  Not talking about going into serious debt, but about something that soaks up a lot of your cash through the end of February or so.</p>
<p>April 15 is the legally set Income Tax Day.  The readership of the Rocky tended to be more Conservative than the Post.  There is some evidedence that this translates to more self employed workers with a corresponding predisposition to filing taxes on Tax Day.  This both soaks up cash and perhaps more important as was the case with me, soaks up your attention.</p>
<p>If you had tried the experiment at a different time, say now until Memorial Day, I am sure you would get a different result with more people willing to subscribe.</p>
<p>The above points about needing to get the word about your operation out are very appropriate.  Have you considered trying to work out an operating agreement with Fox 31?  They would welcome the help in partially defraying newsroom costs, while you would get your efforts publicized on both Channels 2 and 31.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m just old fashioned. For years I&#039;ve enjoyed reading the morning paper while having breakfast. The RMN and now The Denver Post are my sources for getting local information since I don&#039;t watch the local tv news. I also get a feed from CNN for national and world news. I work on computers for a living so spend most of my time typing and reading. The idea of going to a web page to find out what&#039;s going on locally just doesn&#039;t appeal to me. Would I have to buy a laptop to read over my breakfast? I subscribed to InDenverTimes, but if it had gone ahead I don&#039;t know if I would have kept it. I think there&#039;s still a real need for good journalism on print but I guess the economics just don&#039;t work out. I canceled then reconsidered my subscription to the Post. I don&#039;t consider it nearly as good as the Rocky, but I&#039;m addicted to a morning paper. Maybe I&#039;ll start re-reading WestWord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m just old fashioned. For years I&#8217;ve enjoyed reading the morning paper while having breakfast. The RMN and now The Denver Post are my sources for getting local information since I don&#8217;t watch the local tv news. I also get a feed from CNN for national and world news. I work on computers for a living so spend most of my time typing and reading. The idea of going to a web page to find out what&#8217;s going on locally just doesn&#8217;t appeal to me. Would I have to buy a laptop to read over my breakfast? I subscribed to InDenverTimes, but if it had gone ahead I don&#8217;t know if I would have kept it. I think there&#8217;s still a real need for good journalism on print but I guess the economics just don&#8217;t work out. I canceled then reconsidered my subscription to the Post. I don&#8217;t consider it nearly as good as the Rocky, but I&#8217;m addicted to a morning paper. Maybe I&#8217;ll start re-reading WestWord.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are giving up too soon...give it a chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are giving up too soon&#8230;give it a chance.</p>
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		<title>By: mosely j.</title>
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		<dc:creator>mosely j.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, here&#039;s the first problem: The &#039;paper&#039;s&#039; name.
&quot;The Rocky Mountain News&quot; was founded with the idea of covering news across the Rocky Mt. region, including other states.
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&quot;InDenverTimes&quot; is awkward sounding, awkward to type, sounds like you are only covering news in Denver, and worse, has a feel that is like a defunct Victorian penny novel. The acronym is unremarkable. We already have &quot;The Denver Post&quot; (Denver in the title), &quot;The Denver Daily News&quot; (Denver again in the title) both of which address the mindset of readers in the city of Denver. And Readers in Aurora, Littleton, Westminster, Boulder, etc. all have their own little local papers already.

Of course, we understand there are copyright issues with using anything even remotely sounding like &quot;Rocky Mt. News&quot; but has your legal counsel/copyright research uncovered anything like &quot;Colorado Mt. News&quot; or &quot;Rocky Colorado Mt. News&quot;... anything that sounds like it would interest the likes of other denizens of this massive state in far flung Durango, Vail, Weld County, Grand Junction, Pueblo, Rocky Ford, Colo Springs, Salida, the 4 Corners, you-get-the-idea?

What will differentiate YOUR product?
What makes them want to pay for your service?
What can you offer that is unique, something the others cannot do?
If you haven&#039;t started there, at the basics, you can&#039;t make your business model fit retroactively backwards.

I loved the Rocky, and have written to ask to help support your efforts.
But since news is FREE online now, and has been for over 10 years, how can you suddenly convince everyone to pay for it? It&#039;s a dilemma worldwide.
for it to work, y&#039;all have to sit down, brainstorm like there&#039;s no tomorrow, and consult with a bunch of young people who are creating killer apps like Twitter, and find a new paradigm to get decent journalism to the people. Folks do want it, they really do. They&#039;re tired of reading whatever just pulled off the wire, which is what the Post has to offer.   They just want it in a new way, and will pay for it, if the value is there. A physical paper ported to HTML is not what modern people want, or need.

You&#039;ve gotta get your name out there, and keep it out there. This is the first I&#039;ve seen it since the original announcement. After that, it seems you dropped off the map. Hit your potential customers early and often. But that does take money, internet tie-ins, and advertising is not cheap. Maybe you do need to hire traditional newspaper &#039;boys&#039; to go door to door to even tell people this idea exists.

Like Apple says, you have to think Different, and in this case, really Different!
There are a lot of people hungry for good journalism that encompasses local/state/regional interests.
All said, I hope the rifts can be healed, and wish you the best in success.
It just may not look like what you envisioned it. But do keep trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, here&#8217;s the first problem: The &#8216;paper&#8217;s&#8217; name.<br />
&#8220;The Rocky Mountain News&#8221; was founded with the idea of covering news across the Rocky Mt. region, including other states.<br />
.<br />
&#8220;InDenverTimes&#8221; is awkward sounding, awkward to type, sounds like you are only covering news in Denver, and worse, has a feel that is like a defunct Victorian penny novel. The acronym is unremarkable. We already have &#8220;The Denver Post&#8221; (Denver in the title), &#8220;The Denver Daily News&#8221; (Denver again in the title) both of which address the mindset of readers in the city of Denver. And Readers in Aurora, Littleton, Westminster, Boulder, etc. all have their own little local papers already.</p>
<p>Of course, we understand there are copyright issues with using anything even remotely sounding like &#8220;Rocky Mt. News&#8221; but has your legal counsel/copyright research uncovered anything like &#8220;Colorado Mt. News&#8221; or &#8220;Rocky Colorado Mt. News&#8221;&#8230; anything that sounds like it would interest the likes of other denizens of this massive state in far flung Durango, Vail, Weld County, Grand Junction, Pueblo, Rocky Ford, Colo Springs, Salida, the 4 Corners, you-get-the-idea?</p>
<p>What will differentiate YOUR product?<br />
What makes them want to pay for your service?<br />
What can you offer that is unique, something the others cannot do?<br />
If you haven&#8217;t started there, at the basics, you can&#8217;t make your business model fit retroactively backwards.</p>
<p>I loved the Rocky, and have written to ask to help support your efforts.<br />
But since news is FREE online now, and has been for over 10 years, how can you suddenly convince everyone to pay for it? It&#8217;s a dilemma worldwide.<br />
for it to work, y&#8217;all have to sit down, brainstorm like there&#8217;s no tomorrow, and consult with a bunch of young people who are creating killer apps like Twitter, and find a new paradigm to get decent journalism to the people. Folks do want it, they really do. They&#8217;re tired of reading whatever just pulled off the wire, which is what the Post has to offer.   They just want it in a new way, and will pay for it, if the value is there. A physical paper ported to HTML is not what modern people want, or need.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve gotta get your name out there, and keep it out there. This is the first I&#8217;ve seen it since the original announcement. After that, it seems you dropped off the map. Hit your potential customers early and often. But that does take money, internet tie-ins, and advertising is not cheap. Maybe you do need to hire traditional newspaper &#8216;boys&#8217; to go door to door to even tell people this idea exists.</p>
<p>Like Apple says, you have to think Different, and in this case, really Different!<br />
There are a lot of people hungry for good journalism that encompasses local/state/regional interests.<br />
All said, I hope the rifts can be healed, and wish you the best in success.<br />
It just may not look like what you envisioned it. But do keep trying.</p>
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		<title>By: monte christo</title>
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		<dc:creator>monte christo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 06:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>50k subscribers was a completely unrealistic goal - consumers do not pay for news anymore. get on the ad-supported bus and get off your &quot;pay me for what i write&quot; bandwagon. the news market is oversupplied. go read what jeff jarvis &amp; clay shirky have to say, rethink your goals and revenue models, and then update us.

you have (a few) talented writers. not a lot of thinkers/strategists though. writers: kick the &quot;biz&quot; guys to the curb, hire 2 good web devs and do your own thing. profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>50k subscribers was a completely unrealistic goal &#8211; consumers do not pay for news anymore. get on the ad-supported bus and get off your &#8220;pay me for what i write&#8221; bandwagon. the news market is oversupplied. go read what jeff jarvis &amp; clay shirky have to say, rethink your goals and revenue models, and then update us.</p>
<p>you have (a few) talented writers. not a lot of thinkers/strategists though. writers: kick the &#8220;biz&#8221; guys to the curb, hire 2 good web devs and do your own thing. profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Rita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 05:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll wait.</p>
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		<title>By: historymystery</title>
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		<dc:creator>historymystery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 02:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This town NEEDS the voices of Kevin Flynn, John Rebchook, and Mary Voelz Chandler to continue...please find a way!  If the Post had hired them, instead of Vincent Carroll, I would have subscribed to the Post for the first time in years (Tina Griego and Mike Littwin are fine, but they&#039;re just columnists)....but Singleton didn&#039;t, and so I didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This town NEEDS the voices of Kevin Flynn, John Rebchook, and Mary Voelz Chandler to continue&#8230;please find a way!  If the Post had hired them, instead of Vincent Carroll, I would have subscribed to the Post for the first time in years (Tina Griego and Mike Littwin are fine, but they&#8217;re just columnists)&#8230;.but Singleton didn&#8217;t, and so I didn&#8217;t.</p>
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